Overclocking with Gigabyte P35C-DS3R and Intel Q6600

Overclocking Tests by KeithSuppe @ 2008-03-27

Overclocking successfully requires a mix of the right components, we take a closer look at the pinnacle of affordability and performance product from Gigabyte, the P35C-DS3R, testing with a Quad Core Q6600 we see how we can fly with a water cooled CPU and some spicy DDR2 memory modules.

Gratis Introduction

Gigabyte P35C-DS3R:


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Over the past years an ever increasing number of articles featuring products by Gigabyte begin with the obligatory statement: "Gigabyte needs no introduction.." Ironic how saying nothing about a company can say so much. Gigabyte is a mainstay with 22-years in this industry converting like dog years compared to any other. I purchased my first GA-7VRX KT333 board over eight years ago. That was when $125 would buy the best board on the market. Times have changed but some things haven't. Gigabyte's Dual BIOS still remains a mystery to me and fortunately for the consumer Gigabyte is still building feature rich, performance oriented motherboards for an affordable price. The P35C-DS3R (Rev. 1.1) is no exception. Removing everything from the box reveals a spread of ancillaries including SATA-II cables with locking mechanisms. A nice detail.

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Essentially Gigabyte's P35C-DS3R is a hybrid DDR2/DDR3 version of their P35-DS3R with the following DDR2/DDR3 memory supported. Insofar as processors the board supports most Socket-T processors including current Wolfdale and Yorkfield cores for those in a 45nm frame of mind. Gigabyte also provides a current list of supported processors and BIOS revisions required to run them. Another nice detail.

Specifications:

CPU
  • Supports Intel® Core™2 Extreme Quad-Core / Core™2 Duo / Intel® Pentium® Extreme/ Intel® Pentium® D processors
  • Supports 1333/1066/800 MHz FSB

    Chipset Northbridge:
  • Intel® P35 Express Chipset

    Southbridge:
  • Intel® ICH9R
  • Gigabit Lan Controller
  • 8 Channels ALC889A Audio controller

    Memory DDR3:
  • 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets supporting up to 4 GB of system memory
  • Dual channel memory architecture
  • Support for DDR3 1333*/1066/800 MHz memory modules

    DDR2:
  • 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets supporting up to 8 GB of system memory
  • Dual channel memory architecture
  • Support for DDR2 1066*/800/667 MHz memory modules
    * Please refer "Memory Support List" for memory support information.

    Expansion Slots:
  • 1 PCI Express X16 slot /'3 PCI Express X1 slots
    3 PCI slots

    Form Factor:
  • ATX form factor, 305 x 245mm

    Internal I/O Connectors:
  • 1 x 24-pin ATX main power connector
  • 1 x 4-pin ATX 12V power connector
  • 1 x floppy disk drive connector
  • 1 x IDE connector
  • 8 x SATA 3Gb/s connectors
  • 1 x CPU fan header
  • 2 x system fan headers
  • 1 x power fan header
  • 1 x front panel header
  • 1 x front panel audio header
  • 1 x CD In connector
  • 1 x S/PDIF In header
  • 4 x USB 2.0/1.1 headers
  • 1 x power LED header
  • 1 x Chassis Intrusion header

    Back Panel Connectors:
  • 1 x PS/2 keyboard port
  • 1 x PS/2 mouse port
  • 1 x parallel port
  • 1 x coaxial S/PDIF Out connector
  • 1 x optical S/PDIF Out connector
  • 1 x serial port
  • 4 x USB 2.0/1.1 ports
  • 1 x RJ-45 port
  • 6 x audio jacks (Center/Subwoofer Speaker Out/Rear Speaker Out/Side Speaker Out/Line In/Line Out/Microphone)

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    BIOS:
  • Supports Virtual DualBIOS
  • 1 x 8 Mbit flash
  • Use of licensed AWARD BIOS
  • PnP 1.0a, DMI 2.0, SM BIOS 2.3, ACPI 1.0b

    Other Features:
  • Ultra Durable 2 Motherboard
  • All Japanese manufactured solid
  • Over-clocking Enhanced

    Comments:
  • Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website.
  • Due to most hardware/software vendors no longer offer support for Win9X/ME. If some vendors still has Win9X/ME drivers available, we will publish on website.
  • Duo to chipset limitation, Intel ICH9R RAID driver does not support Windows 2000 operating system.

    For what might be considered a "budget" board, the list of features is substantial. Onto topology...

  • The Board

    Hardware:

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    Gigabyte's GA-P35C-DS3R is based on the Intel P35 chipset which has won the hearts and minds of Enthusiasts ever since its release. In some respects the P35 is to the X38 (X48) what the 965 was to the 975X. Since Intel's release of the X38 and "X48 Reviewer Edition" chipsets the P35 is still the market favorite. For those under the impression there is no multi-card support off the P35, this bit-tech.net article is a must read. The article compared three CrossFire solutions based on P35 and X38 motherboard options. The Asus P5E3 X38 (2 x 16X PCI-E (via NB)) this was not PCI-E 2.0, Asus Blitz P35 (2x 8X PCI-E (via splitter - NB)) and finally MSI Diamond P35 (16X PCI-E (via NB) + 4X PCI-E (via ICH0)) the results will surprise you.

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    The P35C-DS3R is built on Gigabyte's Ultra Durable 2 technology. Gigabyte led the industry sourcing new parts throughout their product line related to power and power distribution. Three essential ingredients have gone into the Ultra Durable concept. The parts themselves are seen below surrounding the Socket-775. Gigabyte chose a six-stage power solution for the processor (note the number of R50 chokes). The Ultra Durable devices are, Mosfet, Capacitors and Chokes. While seemingly benign, their quality has a direct affect on motherboard stability and longevity. Unfortunately the concept of "longevity" is rarely, if ever discussed in PC-reviews or articles. The problem, certainly for most Reviewers and for many PC-Enthusiasts, is that we've lost touch with what it feels like to expect our PC will last for years. In Ultra Durable 2 Gigabyte has not only extended the life of the average motherboard, the changes may aid in Overclocking as well.

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    In the photo below I intentionally captured the Swiftech Storm water block for a perspective on the size of the Mosfets. Gigabyte states Low RDS(on) Mosfet; "...are specially designed to produce lower switching resistance for faster electric current charging and discharging..." The terminology Low RDS(on) describes a power mosfet with Low Drain to Source Resistance (...on resistance (RDSon)). Besides being much smaller they are not as susceptible to "hot spots" and "thermal runaway." The Mosfet run cooler, Gigabyte claims a 16% reduction in temps compared to typical Mosfets. This may explain the absence of heat sinks in the photo above, however; X38 boards from Gigabyte do employ Mosfet cooling.

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    Fundamentally your CPU is a collection of capacitance switches (transistors) it's not difficult to imagine why faster switching speeds, faster charge and discharge rates are essential to processor performance. More damage is done to a micro-processor from lack of current then current spikes. Chokes used are now Ferrite core, purportedly storing energy longer at higher frequencies, 25% longer by Gigabyte's claims. Solid state capacitors replace electrolytic fluid with an organic compound improving both overclocking and extending lifespan. The P35 is also popular for it's support of DDR3 the P35C version offers both DDR2 and DDR3.

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    The green DIMM are intended for DDR3 (4GB total, 1.5V) with supported speeds to 1333MHz. Orange DIMMs are intended for DDR2 (8GB total, 1.8V) supporting 1066MHz both offer Dual Channel operation. Clicking on this link provides a supported memory list. Next graphics.

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    The board offers a single PCI-Express 16x slot eschewing ATI Crossfire and keeping costs down. In addition there are three PCI Express 1x and three PCI slots in all.

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    Other devices...

    The Board Cont.

    Storage, Optical and Audio:

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    Gigabyte has chose the ITE IT8718F-S as the "Super I/O" chip. For Audio another ITE products was spec'd the Realtek ALC889A supplying 7.1 surround sound, 2-channel independent stereo output via the front panel at a 106dB S/N Ratio. Our sample was an early Rev 1.1, highlighted below with the chips mentioned.

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    For LAN, a single Gigabit Ethernet port is controlled by the Realtek RTL8111B chip which is connected the PCI-E bus.

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    Storage controllers include a JMicron JMB363 housed beneath the "Gigabyte SATA 2" chip which supports a single IDE Parallel ATA-133 port and two SATA-300 ports. The Gigabyte SATA-2 chip supports RAID 0, 1, JBOD and eSATA. Additionally the Intel ICH9R Southbridge controls six SATA-300 ports supporting RAID 0,1, 5 and 10.

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    Albeit overkill the P35C-DS3R offers a total of 12 USB 2.0/1.1 ports, four on the Rear Panel and 8 on the board itself requiring I/O brackets, seen below.

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    Onto BIOS options...

    The Almightly BIOS

    BIOS F10 Overclocking the Q6600


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    Gigabyte chose an Award BIOS and I chose to run our system on the latest BIOS F10 released on 2008/01/04, after trying the others. It's unlikely you'll be reaching a 700(MHz) FSB speed as I highlighted above, however; Gigabyte appeals to the dreamers among us with soldering skills and a few liters of LN2. Often overlooked is the fact the latest BIOS revision is never guaranteed to improve performance prior versions. I describe BIOS flashing as: "The longest 20-sec of your life." And with the ability to flash from the company Server this only adds to the list of things which can go wrong at this vulnerable time. Can give your board serious "Drain Damage" or even cause death during the process. All kidding aside when your board is an early revision the disparity between what latter BIOS revisions fix and your board grows larger.

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    Keeping this review on focus, I've eschewed all other BIOS settings except for the MB Intelligent Tweaker. This latest BIOS eliminates the need to use the hidden features keys which is frustrating because you have to exit to the main BIOS screen to enable the hidden features then re-enter M.I.T. screen.F10 provides for you what usually requires the F1 -Shift key combination to bring up the "hidden features" intended primarily for memory adjustments.

    Clicking on the right Thumb-Nail below will show the second half of the M.I.T. page. The right TN shows the our first adjustment option for the Robust Graphics Booster.

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    From left to right the first thumbnail indicates the CPU multipliers available were 6X ~ 9X, CPU Host Frequency from 100(MHz) ~ 700(MHz) ehrm, PCI-Express frequency from 90(MHz) ~ 150(MHz) although this is a setting which should be left as is. The best you'll get from increasing the bus frequency is a damaged VGA card.

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    In their effort to make overclocking and system tweaking a literal "no brainer" for those whom ultimately just want to increase performance, Gigabyte has adopted few more acronyms. Clicking on the Thumbnails below (left): C.I.A.2. aka CPU Intelligent Accelerator 2 claims to detect processor current fluctuations and responds by increasing or deceasing CPU frequency accordingly to best suit the program. Right thumbnail reveals the Performance Enhance which is a memory related feature.

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    As far as memory options Award BIOS F10 supprts the the following multipler/dividers:
    2.00 (1:1)
    2.40 (5:6)
    2.50 (4:5)
    3.00 (2:3)
    3.20 (5:8)
    3.33 (3:5)
    4.0+ (1:2)
    with selectable strapping from 800+ / 1066~ / 1333#.

    Strapping values can be seen in the photo below, thumbnails below reveal multipliers.

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    My personal philosophy when it comes to overclocking is to avoid overvolting. However for those whom do not mind increasing Vcore the F10 provides 0.90V ~ 2.00V.

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    For the remainder of the voltage settings an overvolting system is used based off the device default. In the thumnails below from left to right. Beginning with DDR2/DDR3 1/10th volt increments are available from 0.1V ~ 0.7V, PCI-E over-voltage 0.1V ~ 0.3V, FSB 0.1V ~ 0.3V, and (G)MCH (Memory Controller Hub) 0.1V ~ 0.3V.

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    Onto the Tests...

    System Specs / Overcloking

    Overclocking


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    Overclocking is trial and error. How severely the error part effects the motherboard is determined by the effectiveness of BIOS recovery utilities. These do, in part, what manually clearing the CMOS once did. Ironically clearing CMOS manually is more difficult on modern motherboards as it now requires removing the battery, jumping the pins and replacing the battery. This process is made more difficult since many motherboards have re-located the CMOS jumper and battery just below the PCI-E 16X slot requiring the removal of the video card. Gigabyte uses a simple twin pin design which only requires a jumper if manual CMOS re-setting becomes necessary. When overclocking recovery utilities have become invaluable, think of what it would be like to manually clear CMOS every time your settings didn't "take."

    When Gigabyte build the P35C-DS3R they may have underestimated demands 65nm quad core would place on processor power circuitry in the hands of Overclockers. While their supported processors lists the Q6600 (requiring BIOS F4 for compatibility), nowhere does it state; "overclocks Q6600 to such and such a speed...." Nonetheless I could see how Enthusiasts would look at this board and presume a six-stage processor power supply would suffice. Given the panegyric praises sung by Gigabyte in celebration of their Ultra Durable 2 system the presumption is justified. Unfortunately, even with Ultra Durable the best I came up with was an 8x400FSB or 3.20GHz at default Vcore. If your wondering how the highest OC in this test was accomplished under default voltage your beginning to see it was not the processor itself which held us back. Increasing Vcore as high as 1.5V I was able to post at 4.0GHz (9x445FSB) however the system would hang just prior to the splash screen and increasing (G)MCH , PCI-E or FSB voltages did not remedy the scenario. In thumbnails below are several default FSB/CPU compared to overclocked processor configurations. All benchmarks were based on these.

    9x266FSB - DDR2-800 @ 800MHz | 8x400FSB - DDR2-800 @ 960MHz

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    9x266FSB - DDR3-1600 @ 1066MHz | 9x333FSB - DDR3-1600 @ 1333MHz | 7x400FSB - DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz

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    My philosophy for Overclocking is that there is a difference between overclocking and overvolting, Vcore (or any voltage adjustments) are always the last tool in my arsenal. Besides increasing heat, damaging transistors and shortening the life of the processor, overvolting is often an unnecessary shortcut and its misuse leads to complacency among other bad habits. Many overclockers begin increasing Vcore or VID before they've tried the alternative. During these tests I did use Vcore as a last resort, however; settings where it was "necessary" were not stable regardless. Let’s try and explain this phenomenon.

    Initially I attributed problems overclocking the Q6600 to the processor itself. Albeit designed a 65nm process and having a 95W TDP, this is still a power hungry chip. I looked to the VRM circuitry as a potential problem area and my first instinct was to find a Number 2 pencil for a Vdroop mod. However after reading the Anadtech article Overclocking Intel's New 45nm QX9650: The Rules Have Changed everything fell into place. The article brings to light specific Intel processor power regulation circuitry many have overlooked and I had dismissed or at least minimized. The quote below presumes you know something about motherboard CPU power circuitry (if not read the article in full), it explains why Vdroop is a necessary component of Intel processor power regulation.

    During periods of high CPU demand, the VRM circuit works hard to supply the current required by the processor. However, as soon as that load is gone, the VRM circuit must act quickly in order to reduce the current supply to the level needed to match the new demand. Because it's impossible for the VRM circuit to respond instantaneously, the larger the load change the greater the maximum potential peak overshoot voltage. Controlling the magnitude of these peak values is critical for maintaining system stability. By positioning the processor's no-load (idle) voltage level higher during periods of light loading, it's possible to sustain a larger negative voltage dip without crossing the processor's lower specified voltage limit. In addition, "drooping" the load voltage as a function of supply current allows the VRM to effectively limit the maximum positive peak overshoot voltage (experienced during a heavy to light load transient) to a value below the maximum allowable CPU voltage. This resulting control system ensures the processor supply voltage, regardless of CPU load, never violates a specified limit... ....source


    Voffset and Vdroop work together to protect the processor from exceeding maximum voltage and reduce "settling time" between Idle and Load voltage transients, respectively. These transients are proportional to the load placed on the processor, especially during overclocking. If overvolting your processor seems to increase the instance of Vdroop then Intel power regulation circuitry is doing its job. Under these circumstances a Vdroop mod would do more harm then good. A better resolution to the problem in the case of our P35C-DS3R might be an 8-pin 12V ATX connector with slightly more robust power circuitry. My "purist philosophy" of overclocking aside, I've simply had better results overclocking without overvolting in recent years and in fact in this test I was able to maintain a 9x400FSB OC without the need for Vcore, which was 100% stable. Raising Vcore made matters worse at these settings. In many of my previous articles I not only deter overvolting I suggest overclocking under the AUTO setting as opposed to manually adjusting Vcore.

    Over the years I've seen the Vcore value fluctuate in CPU-Z which I always attributed to a software error. In fact those readings were most likely accurate since Vcore should be fluctuating. Looking at Chris Hares Processor Electrical Specification sheet for the Q6600 (CPUID 06FB 95W TDP) Vcore ranges between 0.85V ~ 1.5V. Interestingly the P35C-DS3R low Vcore setting starts at 0.90V. Every Intel processor on that site has Vcore listed in ranges. This is an important distinction for Intel architecture, and I hope this explanation assist some of you out there. Onto our test system.

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    Intel Test System:
    Processor Intel Q6600 SLACR Socket-775
    Mainboard Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R
    Memory Patriot Viper DDR3-1600 7-7-7-20 (2x1GB)
    GEIL DDR2-800 CL4-4-4-12 (2x1GB)
    Graphics BFG 8800Ultra
    Storage Seagate Barracuda 80GB SATA Perpendicular
    Optical Plextor PX755-SA DVD/RW
    Power Supply Tuniq Ensemble 1200W
    Cooling Swiftech Storm / Laing Vario D38 / 3x Sunon 98CFM / Danger Den Res. / Black Ice XtremeIII (1/2")
    Operating System Windows XP
    Chassis Thermaltake Mozart TX (open chassis)


    Water-cooling with Swiftech Storm, a triple radiator and three Sunon 98CFM fans dropped processor temps relatively close to my ambient room temp of 19C. In my test area the PC is just a few inches from sliding glass doors which explains the low temperatures.

    Onto benchmarks and test results...

    Results / Conclusion

    Results Cont. / Conclusion


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    Where the rubber meets the road.

    Benchmarks:
  • SiSoftware Sandra XII.SP1
  • Everest Ultimate Edition
  • Super PI mod 1.5 XtremeSys
  • FutureMark PCMark05
  • FutureMark 3DMark06
  • FutureMark 3DMark2001
  • HardwareOC PREY Benchmark
  • TechARP X264



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    Conclusive Thoughts

    Gigabyte's P35C-DS3R is a decent overclocking platform for Quadcores and when you consider its current price the board has some serious potential. It's also important to remember this board is ready for 45nm CPUs and therefore running the 45nm QuadCore should see much better OC results. The added DDR3 feature makes this a platform you can ride out for an extended period. Yes there are better chipsets out there, but for the current retail price of $109 at Newegg it's a steal.

    PRO
    Price
    Decent overclocker supports 45nm processors
    DDR3 support

    CON
    No Firewire but so what
    Would have been nice to have an additional LAN port


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