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Hello guys! This is my first time ever modding Skyrim, and everything seemed to be running okay except for when I tried to add a city overhaul mod into my game. First I tried Dawn of Skyrim. I downloaded it through NMM and as soon as I tried to step into the city from Whiterun's Bannered Mare, my game crashed. I removed Dawn of Skyrim and everything loaded up fine. So I tried JKs Skyrim all in one download and did it through the NMM and this time I couldn't even get into the game, I froze and crashed at the entry loading screen. Im new to modding this game, so i've been watching videos by Gopher on Youtube trying to learn as much as I can before heavily modding this game. I'm not sure what could be causing these crashes with specifically city overhaul mods but here is my load order with Jk's Skyrim installed: 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 Dragonborn.esm 4 4 HearthFires.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 7 7 ApachiiHair.esm 8 8 Falskaar.esm 9 9 Wyrmstooth.esp10 a Campfire.esm11 b Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm12 c ClimatesOfTamriel.esm13 d HighResTexturePack01.esp14 e HighResTexturePack02.esp15 f HighResTexturePack03.esp16 10 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp17 11 WSCO - OcciFemaleCBBE.esp18 12 WSCO - OcciBetterMale.esp19 13 WSCO - Better NPCs.esp20 14 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp21 15 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp22 16 Babette.esp23 17 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp24 18 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp25 19 TrueStorms.esp26 1a TrueStorms-RLO.esp27 1b RaceMenu.esp28 1c RaceMenuPlugin.esp29 1d CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp30 1e Book Covers Skyrim.esp31 1f SFO - Dragonborn.esp32 20 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp33 21 SkyUI.esp34 22 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp35 23 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp36 24 Footprints.esp37 25 SMIM-Merged-All.esp38 26 Immersive Weapons.esp39 27 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp40 28 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp41 29 Dr_Bandolier.esp42 2a Cloaks.esp43 2b The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp44 2c Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp45 2d 1nivWICCloaks.esp46 2e 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp47 2f Convenient Horses.esp48 30 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp49 31 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp50 32 Helgen Reborn.esp51 33 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp52 34 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp53 35 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp54 36 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp55 37 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp56 38 Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp57 39 HoldBorderBanners.esp58 3a ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp59 3b ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp60 3c 3DNPC.esp61 3d RealisticWaterTwo.esp62 3e RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp63 3f RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp64 40 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp65 41 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp66 42 Dovah Vault.esp67 43 ElisShackPro.esp68 44 beginnersshack.esp69 45 Swamp House.esp70 46 Routa Non-Stormcloak.esp71 47 TheRookery.esp72 48 CanalHome.esp73 49 ThiefsHideout.esp74 4a Thornrock.esp75 4b Lillehus.esp76 4c EliProudspireOverhaul.esp77 4d RavenNest_1.2.esp78 4e Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp79 4f WetandCold.esp80 50 WetandCold - Ashes.esp81 51 immersive roads.esp82 52 fallentreebridges.esp83 53 Farm Animals_HF.esp84 54 JKs Skyrim.esp85 55 SoS - Civilization.esp86 56 SoS - The Dungeons.esp87 57 SoS - The Wilds.esp I use LOOT and TES5Edit to clean my files and mods.. but like I said i'm new to this so i'm sure I could have made a rookie mistake. Any help would be great!

So this is definitely a tall order, but has anyone tried to get this lot working together? From the research I've done it's possible to get patches that work on the modular versions of JK's Skyrim, ETaC, and Dawn of Skyrim, albeit some of them based on older versions of the mods. But the truth is that despite the amazing character these mods provide, individually or separately, I simply cannot let go of Open Cities. I've been using it so long that it's incredibly uncomfortable going back to closed cities. Now I've currently got choices. ETaC and JK's smaller cities and villages currently have patches being worked on. There's a patch for JK's Skyrim with Open Cities, but it's buggy, and the promised update hasn't appeared. There's also an Open Cities patch for an older version of Dawn of Skyrim too. However, now that the JK and Dawn of series' have both been left by their respective authors it seems an ideal time to patch the OC, JK's, and Dawn of together. That would then leave the current author of the ETaC/JK patches to keep up with MissJennaBee's updates. I have some modding experience, but not to this extent.I'm struggling to keep my crossbow mod moving, so if somebody would like to see these patched together and has the capability I'd be very appreciative.

Once a patch exists between Dawn of Skyrim Collection and Open Cities pretty much all the most popular city mods will be able to work together through their respective patches. This is the last piece of the puzzle! It would be so nice to be able to play a game with Expanded Towns and Cities, Interesting NPCs, Inconsequential NPCs, Open Cities, and Dawn of Skyrim Collection.

Dunno why, I have no idea. I can only see the merchants, but they don't have they respective stands. 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