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SDF-7 2024년 7월 19일 오전 5시 43분

Starting Position Option, or you've lost a sale

Been a buyer of the franchise since Civ 2. Over the years, I've played less and less until I finally gave up on 6 -- more than anything else because you've killed the eXplore part of 4X.

Having the AI always spawn next to you on Huge map, 4 AIs is ludicrous. I don't care about trading with them (you gave us City States for that!) or early war (you gave us Barbarian waves with all those Scouts). So take pity on those of us that enjoy random maps and having a chance to actually find things before tripping over the AI again and *make an option for starting distances*.

And I know I'm not alone -- because over the years, trying to edit the XML / workshop mods / whatnot all tried to fight this. And they all got overridden / broken. So put it in the game and plan for it, please.

I'm completely serious that this is make or break for me -- constantly coming back to Civ 6 over the years and remembering why I hate it when the AI pops up next to my capital on Turn 4 is *why I stopped playing it*. I'm not going to shell out for Yet Another Incarnation that does it -- because I just won't play it.

So please -- add this one minor feature so I can enjoy the franchise again. Thanks.

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KaniSatha 2024년 7월 19일 오전 7시 43분

+1 to this request.

thinkinTom 2024년 7월 19일 오후 5시 15분

+1 to this, I agree 100%

Catalytic 2024년 7월 20일 오후 2시 28분

I agree with this in spirit. I always play random and have spawned next to an angry Monty, Shaka, or Caesar to know that it really stresses the early game, and it's much worse the higher the difficulty setting goes because they always forward settle on you with their free settlers.

This is a discussion that goes similarly to the AI discussion though. There are a lot of factors to how a human might want to distribute factions on a map so each has a fair chance. How would you do it? What parameters would you tell the programmers that they must consider when writing code to spawn leaders?

* Equidistance? - do we want leaders to be reasonably well spread across the map?
* Buffer distance? - is there a certain range that we want to guarantee other leaders will not spawn within?
* Natural barriers/city-states - these naturally block off expansion. You can't expand into the ocean, into mountains, or into a neighboring city-state, so should there be some sort of check to ensure there is viable space for a 2nd and/or 3rd city nearby?
* Resources? - whether they're luxuries, strategics, or bonuses, these can make or break your early game. Do want to ensure that a certain number are within close proximity? soft cap? hard cap?
* Start biases - different civs have different start biases intended to reflect their real-life geographies. This is necessary because a lot of civs have unique tile improvements or leader bonuses connected to the land or certain uses of the land. How strict should these be?

As you can see, some of this can end up getting to be quite complicated to do, especially if you're trying to ensure some sense of actual randomness and variability map to map and game to game.

How might you do it?

Starfleck 2024년 7월 21일 오전 11시 51분

Unfortunately there's one huge problem with truly random spawns, the ability to restart on a fresh map. Players will absolutely abuse the restart option until they have the upper hand on the AI, or at least not a terrible start. So a random spawn is just random rerolling until you're happy. You should advocate for a slider for minimum spawn distance or something. It would make map creation take longer but at least you'd have less rerolling.