All the way down to where you are told they won't be able to "function at their best" to save the world unless you go through and systematically resolve all of them. You would think one could put most things aside to save your entire world from impending and irreversible destruction, but apparently not.

Well this is a game of strong contrast.

On the one hand I quite enjoyed the game play and overall story. And graphics quality too.

On the other hand I did find companion dialogue in the lighthouse between boring to cringe (used the power of the "skip" button there!). And the game quite linear. And some race ugly, like the.. errmmm... Guys with horn, ugly horns!

I suspect that the unsatisfactory companion is due to the numerous stop and restart development cycles. Though the companions quest are not too bad. Though not great either.

Originally posted by doghunterj86:

All the way down to where you are told they won't be able to "function at their best" to save the world unless you go through and systematically resolve all of them. You would think one could put most things aside to save your entire world from impending and irreversible destruction, but apparently not.

They are trying to emulate the personal squad quest structure of Mass Effect 2 where you do the same. Though, the Reapers weren't actually at everyone's front doorstep, so they have more leeway comparatively.

In case I wasn't clear... I really am enjoying the game... and I love the Banter and Side Quest... and Especially the Story; I would so watch this movie; however... I feel DogHunter hit it on the Nose. End of the World Stuff Happening People... let's Pull it Together; who cares what the Coffee taste like... and 'Yes', You can do that to Potatoes... Get over it!!! ROFL!!!!

That's my main concern about the game.

The main story is Ok, the staging is over the top, it's bugfree, it's a visual blast, gameplay is good and fun and epicness (when you look only at the main story) is truly there...

..... but half of the game is side quests with these emotionaly weak companions. C'MON ! YOU HAVE A WORLD TO SAVE !

It's fun because, if you put them out of context, character developpement is psychologicaly credible (even if they are... agacing.). However, game writers forgot something... Maslow concept. When lower needs are not satisfied anymore, your priority will no longer be your self accomplishement.

(I am ashamed about this, but after 40h I ended up skipping the side quests cutscene and dialogs. It was always the same teenage drama thing).



HOWEVER... The game don't deserve the flame and the fail it faces.

Originally posted by Greumch:

That's my main concern about the game.

The main story is Ok, the staging is over the top, it's bugfree, it's a visual blast, gameplay is good and fun and epicness (when you look only at the main story) is truly there...

..... but half of the game is side quests with these emotionaly weak companions. C'MON ! YOU HAVE A WORLD TO SAVE !

It's fun because, if you put them out of context, character developpement is psychologicaly credible (even if they are... agacing.). However, game writers forgot something... Maslow concept. When lower needs are not satisfied anymore, your priority will no longer be your self accomplishement.

(I am ashamed about this, but after 40h I ended up skipping the side quests cutscene and dialogs. It was always the same teenage drama thing).



HOWEVER... The game don't deserve the flame and the fail it faces.

What you listed as knocks against the game are what makes or breaks most RPGs. If you dislike most of the characters in your campaign, the writing of them, their quests, and overall development, then why have an RPG? This is classified as an RPG, but the game fails at every aspect of what makes a good role playing game. Writing: Character, Side-quests, Romance, conflicts, choices you make with said characters. Decisions they agree or disagree with, etc. So, if you're skipping and ignoring large portions of the RPG aspect then the game is a fail and it deserves every ounce of it, because half of the game by your own admission was weak at best.

Originally posted by Raz:

Originally posted by doghunterj86:

All the way down to where you are told they won't be able to "function at their best" to save the world unless you go through and systematically resolve all of them. You would think one could put most things aside to save your entire world from impending and irreversible destruction, but apparently not.

They are trying to emulate the personal squad quest structure of Mass Effect 2 where you do the same. Though, the Reapers weren't actually at everyone's front doorstep, so they have more leeway comparatively.

I get that, but that doesn't explain the fact that all of your campaign members were weakly written. It would have worked better if Rook had a backstory that the party members engaged with. Why have all these factions to choose from if there wasn't some sort of inherent conflict between them, for or against depending on which you choose. You only get a small sampling of that. Rook is a weak protagonist. So, I was hoping the campaign members would salvage the writing, but when they're just as limited in tone, and their character arcs and dialog suffer from it, then they're overall weak characters to engage with. Rook being weak and them being weak makes their Side quests lackluster. You also have to slog through them one after another, if they were more spaced out it could have worked a little better.

And I didn't like most of the side quests in Inquisition either, but they weren't as intrusive to the story as this. I actually think Dragon Age 2 had better side quests than both Inquisition and Veilgard.

The word I would use is safe, barely any of them conflict with each other. Besides some team banter they developed of screen so you just need to accept they are all good friends.

Ignoring the writing combat becomes stale and boring after awhile combine that with the weak writing, you see why the game flopped overall.

I just want to point out I do not agree with much of the Negative Statements regarding this game; I personally Love the Whimpy Whiney Personal Issues with the Champions. I feel it turns them from being this team of Super Heroes to a bunch of People living their best lives. However... I do feel there is a Time and Place for everything, and -IF- this were Real Life (and Not a Story of Entertainment) Those individual Problems would Pale in Comparison to the current Plight of the World. So with that stated... I just felt this needed a Re-Post.

Originally posted by Greumch:

*SNIP*...It was always the same teenage drama thing...*SNIP*

ROFLMBO!!! :D - That's Just Funny!!!

But on a Semi-Serious Note: I feel we need to remember this is a 'Game'... and much like an Action-Adventure Movie or Book; while we Watch/Read these things for the Action and/or Adventure, there still has to be the Added Human Factor reminding us that Hans Solo does care about people, Henry Jones was a University Professor, and Rick Deckard once loved a Replicant.

However... if I was to make one complaint; I do feel the Hero (Rook) should be allowed to make more Decisive Decisions (especially at the risk of angering other members). Not just a Stoic 'Yes', or Light Hearted 'Yes', or Commanding 'Yes'. But allow the Player (Rook) to Oppose an Idea or Issue or Thought. Allow Rook not to agree with something... not to be Supportive... to find Fault in a Companion's Decision. Perhaps as a Human, Rogue, Antivan Crow I consider all magic as Evil, and I feel Harding is being punished or as been Cursed by Andraste. We shouldn't be forced to be Supportive on every issue. As mentioned; this is Role-Playing... True/Good and Chaotic/Evil should not be in agreement with every decision.

Just like every other RPG I've ever played. "Help me fix my personal problems all while saving the world" It's a trope of RPGs

Originally posted by Skorne Tet'Zu:

Oh My Gosh... I'm starting to feel like I'm Baby Sitting over here. Everybody and all their little probelms. Waaa... My Mother doesn't Understand me. Waaa... All my Friends are gone. Waaa... I have these Awesome Powers, but I don't know Why I have them. Waaa... Waaa... Waaa!!!

You people fight Dragons, Defeat Demons, Kill Monsters... but You Cry All Night because You're Home Sick!!! Jeezzz..... Grow Up!!!

ROFL....

I am soooo Loving this Game. I really do feel like they are a Bunch of Cry Babies... but I have never played with a Group of NPCs that felt sooooo Real. I know it's Scripted, but it's Well Scripted, and Feels more like a Life UnFolding than a Story being Told.

Devs really did a good job on this... and (IMHO) placed some extra emphasis on Story Telling.

Louis help Francis he's dying.

Originally posted by ThisBagDogPC:

Just like every other RPG I've ever played. "Help me fix my personal problems all while saving the world" It's a trope of RPGs

That.

At least it's not a bunch of "daddy issues"... Mass Effect crew was a bit odd that way.

Originally posted by Skorne Tet'Zu:

Oh My Gosh... I'm starting to feel like I'm Baby Sitting over here. Everybody and all their little probelms. Waaa... My Mother doesn't Understand me. Waaa... All my Friends are gone. Waaa... I have these Awesome Powers, but I don't know Why I have them. Waaa... Waaa... Waaa!!!

You people fight Dragons, Defeat Demons, Kill Monsters... but You Cry All Night because You're Home Sick!!! Jeezzz..... Grow Up!!!

ROFL....

I am soooo Loving this Game. I really do feel like they are a Bunch of Cry Babies... but I have never played with a Group of NPCs that felt sooooo Real. I know it's Scripted, but it's Well Scripted, and Feels more like a Life UnFolding than a Story being Told.

Devs really did a good job on this... and (IMHO) placed some extra emphasis on Story Telling.

"Oh My Gosh... I'm starting to feel like I'm Baby Sitting over here."

Nooooo. trust me, no one would want you babysitting if you play games like this.

Originally posted by Wheeljack 🔰:

Louis help Francis he's dying.

What is that From??? I'm assuming it's a quote from a Movie or Book.

Originally posted by Equation™:

*SNIP*Nooooo. trust me, no one would want you babysitting if you play games like this.

ROFLMBO!!! If only you could have seen the look on my Brother's face when his oldest son asked me if he could use his +2 Dagger against the Wolf. (Hey... Someone has to teach them D&D -- LoL).

Originally posted by JayS86:

All the way down to where you are told they won't be able to "function at their best" to save the world unless you go through and systematically resolve all of them. You would think one could put most things aside to save your entire world from impending and irreversible destruction, but apparently not.

Their writing for Tumblr, people who declare their trying to save the world but clearly aren't doing a good job at it or functioning in genereal