Planescape: Torment: Enhanced Edition

Planescape: Torment: Enhanced Edition

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Is this a good game for a fussy first-timer in 2024?
I've been meaning to try to get in to some other kind of cRPG sort of thing, but I tend to fizzle out.

I've only played the most casual titles I can think of for the genre: Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 3, Divinity Original Sin 1 + 2.

I've started Pathfinder: Kingmaker but quit pretty early on.

I put over 60 hours into Pillars of Eternity 1 but got annoyed/frustrated by the combat system so I never finished it.

I own BG1 and 2 but never tried 'em.

I'm not sure what I'm even really looking for in a game these days. I'd randomly come across this after seeing a post on /r/GameDeals about Torment: Tides of Newman and everyone in the comments was talking about this instead.
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tukkek 17 Aug, 2024 @ 4:26pm 
Don't get me wrong Torment is still on my top 3 favorite games of all time even 25 years later but I have to be real here and tell you that "Planescape: Torment" and "casual" don't really go hand-in-hand. Again, I'd suggest you get a little deeper into the genre before taking the plunge.
Tyger 17 Aug, 2024 @ 6:45pm 
Its a classic for a reason, but certainly not for everyone. If you want something action focused like Diablo, Torment is basically the complete opposite of that. If you enjoy interacting with characters and gradually unfolding a really well written story, and you don't mind reading a lot of text, you won't find much better than this.
However, seeing as you already own BG1 and 2, I think you'd be better off starting with those instead. If you enjoy those two, Torment is well worth your time.
Feix 19 Aug, 2024 @ 6:29am 
Of cRPGs of around the same era that are using the D&D mechanics, I like Icewind Dale better than either Torment or Baldur's Gate.

In Torment, you have to talk to every npc with a unique name to get the full game experience. That isn't very sandbox to me. Or you can skip them and talk only to the few essential ones to complete the game quickly if you know who they are. They require running around and fetching stuff. The main story as well as the side quests aren't complex. I'm not recommending the game. It's an OK game. If you really had to play it for history appreciation reasons (like me), then ok.

Divinity Original Sin 2 and Disco Elysium offer a better experience than the above mentioned. Game standard has improved.
Annie Other 26 Aug, 2024 @ 8:20am 
If you played BG3, then you'll find the graphics horribly ugly and the ruleset utterly confusing. It's D&D, but an older edition. Where having your AC as LOW as possible is a good thing, as an example.
And here, a Tiefling is a child of a Cambion and a Human, and a Cambion is half Demon, half human.
Githzerai and Githyanki are what they are, though.

The story may be worth it, though.

Combat is clunky and real time with pause. Most of it can be avoided, though. There are about four mandatory fights in the whole game. Rest can be avoided, but if you are a completionist and want to do as many quests as possible, you will fight a lot more.
You CAN talk your way out of bad situations. Talking is extremely important. Combat really isn't the most important thing here. Dialog is. And it's easy. Definitely easier than in other games of that time.

The only skill checks you have are for thief skills (open locks, find traps, disable traps, hide in shadows, but no visible rolls with fancy animated dice), for other "skillchecks" the game works with threshold values. If the stat in question is high enough, you succeed automatically.

Now some other things, without spoiling too much.

Your player character is given. You have to play as The Nameless One, a human male. You can't change his looks or name or anything. All you can do is distribute stat points.
You start as a fighter, but can change your class to thief or mage later. You can't be a cleric, and classes like paladin, ranger, druid or bard aren't available either.

There is no main plot to save the world and a personal quest. Here, the personal quest IS the main plot. You can help a lot of NPCs in side quests, though. Or not.

There is no narrator, and only a small fraction of what NPCs say is voiced over. PS:T is a lot to read. A LOT. If you don't like reading, this game definitely isn't for you.

You are an amnesiac who doesn't remember a thing, not even his own name.

There IS an alignment. You start off True Neutral, but your alignment can shift, depending on your choices. What counts as good or evil, lawful or chaotic is way more obvious than what is morally right or morally wrong is in BG3. So that you can actively work on ending up with a specific alignment.
Some of the best stuff in the game you only get when you are lawful good, while most other games are geared towards chaotic good. Chaotic (good) has the funniest dialog lines, of course. There is some stuff for evil, including rewards, but probably not really worth it.
You CAN be evil, you can do some pretty cruel and even sadistic things to NPCs and your companions. There even are achievements for that. The good news is that you can get the evil achievements without doing a full evil run.
No bards means no vicious mockery, but someone in the game has the ability to throw some really funny insults at others.

Companions are... some are very unusual, others, hm... you may have seen something similar already.
There are 7 companions available, and you can have up to five in your team.
They do have backstories as have you. You can learn a lot about your companion's past and your own over the course of the game. Some of this is part of the main quest, other bits are optional.
Some companions can be missed (one in particular can be missed easily), others will join you automatically.

One of your companions can be romanced, but it's only a dialog or two.
Another you can flirt with.

Some of the more horror and gross elements of BG3... well such stuff is here, too. Just that it's only text. You don't see these things happen, you get a (sometimes pretty graphic) description instead. Some item descriptions... don't sound so yummy.

No Speak with Animals, no cats, no dogs.
You have a chance to get some sort of pet, though.
And depending on your decisions, you may learn how to speak with dead.

You can get permanent buffs.

You will encounter the most unusual rats you have ever seen.

If there is any level cap, then it is so high that you would have to grind for ages to get there.
There is an optional dungeon with respawning enemies where you can grind XP if you want to.

You can find some very unusual weapons.

You can learn some unique Mage spells which don't appear in any other game.

I absolutely love this game, but it's not for everyone.
This game is one of the reasons why I did some really stupid things in BG3...
kkgobkk 26 Aug, 2024 @ 8:29am 
this is the second CRPG i play (the first one being DOS2) and it doesn't feel particularly daunting. Sometimes i have to search online to clarify things i don't understand, but it's never got to the point where it annoys me. It's also remarkably bug-free for a 25yo game(probably thanks to the enhanced edition). The gameplay is clunky, sure, but this game was never about the gameplay. The story and writing still hold up extremely well, and I would take them over DOS2's any day
opus132 16 Oct, 2024 @ 10:04am 
The game has a TON of writing. It really feels like an interactive book at times. A lot of people may have trouble with that.

On the plus side the quality of the writing is way higher than any of the games you mentioned. Yes, that includes BG3 and Pillars.

The weak part is the combat, mostly because of the encounter design, which isn't particular interesting. But you won't be spending a lot of time killing things so it's not really a major problem. It's a pity because the mechanics are actually pretty solid. You get some really cool critical hit animations and spell effects are amazing, it's just the composition of the enemies that is simplistic because combat in this game was never the focus.

The game is like Pillars in that all your stats can affect dialog options and offer certain solutions to quests, with wisdom being the most important one, followed by intelligence. But unlike Pillars, the game won't tell you what kind of stat you need for what and you won't know whether you are missing out on some options. Best to just go with the flow and not worry about it too much.

Lastly, how you behave has an effect on your alignment. Act like a bastard and you'll be labeled as evil. Something to keep in mind. Also, like Pillars, don't forget to talk to your guys often, to unlock quests and progress their individual story lines.
Last edited by opus132; 16 Oct, 2024 @ 10:07am
Sstavix 18 Oct, 2024 @ 10:57am 
If you like story-driven RPGs, you really can't go wrong here. Planescape: Torment is all about the narrattive, and shapes the world around the dialogue choices you make. In this aspect, it is incredible.

Where it falls short, though, is the combat. It uses a real time with pause system which is especially messy when dealing with a full party. But I come from a tabletop gaming background, and greatly prefer turn-based RPGs. Your mileage may vary.

Fortunately, combat is not the central focus of this game. It is more about exploring the world(s) and learning about the main character's past. Have fun!
Does the idea of reading a philosophy textbook sound fun to you?
opus132 27 Jan @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by St. Haborym:
Does the idea of reading a philosophy textbook sound fun to you?

It does.
Turncloak 28 Jan @ 12:09pm 
Imagine passing up on the greatest game ever made.
Jamie 1 Feb @ 5:52pm 
Originally posted by Fried Noodles:
I've been meaning to try to get in to some other kind of cRPG sort of thing, but I tend to fizzle out.

I've only played the most casual titles I can think of for the genre: Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 3, Divinity Original Sin 1 + 2.

I've started Pathfinder: Kingmaker but quit pretty early on.

I put over 60 hours into Pillars of Eternity 1 but got annoyed/frustrated by the combat system so I never finished it.

I own BG1 and 2 but never tried 'em.

I'm not sure what I'm even really looking for in a game these days. I'd randomly come across this after seeing a post on /r/GameDeals about Torment: Tides of Newman and everyone in the comments was talking about this instead.
NO! Do not play this if you never played a CRPG. Play Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2 first.
I will say, PST is one of my favorite cRPGs because of how interesting and story focus it is. The gameplay is hard, not going to lie. But if you learn who you shouldn't try to pick fights with and how to gear up, it isn't horrible. This is a game where if you try to be a murder hobo then yeah, it is a very hard game and most likely not for you. There is a lot of text as this game does have some voice acting but there is more reading and even note taking the player has to do. If you are willing to do any of that then I would say it won't hurt to get the game and give it a try. Plus, if you don't like it before the two hour mark you can always refund it.
Haeravon recommends it, so I gonna play it soon. I hate dialogs in BG1, don't like them much in IWD1. But here I guess I gonna like them since they change the outcomes.
opus132 4 Mar @ 1:33am 
The game has a metric ton of dialog but compared to BG1 it is far better written.

IWD was intentionally made to be the opposite of Torment so those games are basically the inverse of one another in terms of frequency of dialog vis combat.

Combat in Torment isn't bad in terms of the mechanics BTW, the game has kick ass animations and amazing spell effects too. It's just the encounter design that is lacking.
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