The goals of a contractor and a locator are not the same. As Mike Parilac and Jemmie Wang say, the job of the locator is to prevent at fault damages. While it's still small, the flexibility a locator has in their accuracy can be taken advantage of in order to increase efficiency. Putting all the pressure on the contractor, who doesn't want to hit anything period. Shout out to all of the locators who decide to go the extra mile, and establish good communication with the contractor!
Why is the people 40 years ago? But at any rate. Let's talk now about the rules of the game, tolerance zones, the rule. Let's talk about the players for a second. So I managed, I managed for that, you know, seven times greater than damage expense. I'm part of the seven times. Yeah, right, right. And. I come out to a scenario where there are. Single face there's a single phase primary in this right away there's. At any given time, several secondaries, there's a still active copper telecom line, there's a a fiber line and the associated telecom drops and. I'm going to mark each one of those, but I'm gonna make certain that my marks are about 17 inches apart. And by the time I do that, I don't even need an instrument in somebody's backyard. Now where it's, you know, we're a lot lined. I am easement painting because I can, and there's nothing in the system that says I can't do that. It's very efficient. I don't have to spend a whole heck of a lot of time to grab my paint cans and go out and paint this thing. Now talk about something that drives the next. Later. Crazy. You're not even trying yet. The rules say you don't really have to locate accurately. Yeah. So, so well, so. So that in that scenario. What if you were in Australia? Right. And I hired you, I'm the construction company. I hired you to come and locate right what? And I tell you I need a very accurate location because. This is a very sensitive area and I want to be able to work. Efficiently because frankly, my labor cost for my crew are higher than what I'm whatever I'm paying you right? OI wanted an accurate locate. Right. You wouldn't be able to do that in Australia in that scenario, right? Yeah, if I did, if I Eastman painted in Australia, you'd never hire me again. I Right. I call you back I'd call your supervisor. I'd never called. So what I'm saying is I agree with what you're saying but I think the root cause of that is is the system right it's rules of game again because. You have no accountability to me, the excavator here. Right. I mean that might disturb some people, but you have no accountability to me. No, I as as a locator for locating companies today. My job is not to get written up not to have at fault damages and you know the the locating companies version of an at fault damage wouldn't necessarily be what you know a casual observers definition would be of an you bring up a very good point. It's extremely accurate that a lot of people don't understand because if. If you ask a lot of people, hey, what's the job of a, A the locator, they're like prevent damages. Not exactly. The job of a locator, the contract locator, or even an inhouse locator is to not have any at fault damages, right? While working efficiently OK. I don't like not at fault damages, but you know, it's it's not, it's by definition not my fault. Yeah, right. Yeah. So it's there's also kind of a misalignment of interest there in that if I'm an excavator here and you're the locator. My my desire goal for you would be to have very accurate locate and revent. All damages for me help me prevent all damages. Your job is to do your job very efficiently and to not have any at fault damages. Our interests are not aligned. They are not no right? Nope. Whereas in a system where I am the single point of contact, our interest should be aligned would be aligned.
Hey guys, I was a little confused with the "at fault" and "not at fault" damages.
I mean I know what it is over here in Australia, but are you able to clarify this one a bit more for those of us not from the States.
Over here, whilst it's all a bit of a gray area but, the way I would interpret it is, if I go do a job and I miss locate something, let's say, I mark a water main thinking it's the electrical and I don't mark the electrical at all which is 3 meters away and they hit it, then I would call that an "at fault locate". But if I did that job and I did locate the electrical and they still dug on my marks and hit the cable then I would say that's a "not at fault" locate.
Or even, if the water main is plastic and I warn them there is a water main in the area that I can't locate, and they still dig and hit it, then I would say it's "not at fault" locate.
Is this the same as you guys over there or is it different?
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2moHey guys, I was a little confused with the "at fault" and "not at fault" damages. I mean I know what it is over here in Australia, but are you able to clarify this one a bit more for those of us not from the States. Over here, whilst it's all a bit of a gray area but, the way I would interpret it is, if I go do a job and I miss locate something, let's say, I mark a water main thinking it's the electrical and I don't mark the electrical at all which is 3 meters away and they hit it, then I would call that an "at fault locate". But if I did that job and I did locate the electrical and they still dug on my marks and hit the cable then I would say that's a "not at fault" locate. Or even, if the water main is plastic and I warn them there is a water main in the area that I can't locate, and they still dig and hit it, then I would say it's "not at fault" locate. Is this the same as you guys over there or is it different?