Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X gaming performance don't benefit from a higher TDP — 105W TDP mode tested in three modern games
The new 105W TDP option for the Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X does virtually nothing to help boost game frame rates.
AMD's new Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X CPUs have been tested with the 105W TDP option in MSI's latest BIOS updates. Japanese news outlet ASCII tested the 105W mode but discovered underwhelming performance in gaming scenarios, with the higher power target doing virtually nothing to increase FPS.
ASCII tested three games: Black Myth: Wukong, Counter-Strike 2, and F1 24 with the Ryzen 7 9700X, Ryzen 5 9600X, and the previous generation Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 5 7600X. ASCII tested the Ryzen 9000 parts at three power levels: the default TDP of 65W, the new 105W option, and a custom 120W option (probably configured via PBO2). The Ryzen 7000 chips were tested only at their default 105W TDP.
Black Myth: Wukong showed virtually zero performance improvements with the higher power envelope at 1080p with the lowest quality settings — FSR was used only for upscaling. The Ryzen 7 9700X, at its default 65W TDP, outperformed the whole pack with an average of 195.84 FPS. The 105W and 120W power configurations on the same chip were slightly behind in the 194 FPS range. The same goes for the Ryzen 5 9600X, where the chip's default TDP configuration slightly outperformed the higher power ratings. However, these margins were all within the margin of error, making the effective performance practically equal between all three power configurations (including the 9700X results).
Counter-Strike 2 saw very similar results. The 9700X saw virtually zero gains from 65W to 120W. However, this time, the 105W TDP option technically outperformed the other two configurations, but all three results were virtually within the margin of error regardless. The 9600X saw more beneficial improvements from the higher power configurations. The 65W TDP saw the lowest performance uplift, the 120W was the fastest, and the 105W option was in the middle of the pack. However, the performance uplift between 65W and 120W was only 2%.
F1 24 was a Black Myth: Wukong repeat, showing no performance bias toward one specific power target.
ASCII's testing is not surprising. Gaming applications are traditionally single-threaded, biased workloads that don't benefit significantly from very high multi-threaded performance. AMD's 65W Ryzen 9000 parts already have enough power limit to push a few cores to their maximum clock speed without running into power constraints.
MSI is currently the only board vendor offering new firmware with the 105W TDP option for the Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X. However, AMD's upcoming AGESA microcode update 1.2.0.2 will purportedly officially add the 105W TDP option to AMD's existing 65W Zen 5 parts, making it available on all AM5 motherboards.
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Giroro In this context, I would read "Gaming Performance" as a singular collection of multiple data points. So "Gaming Performance doesn't benefit" makes more grammatical sense to me.Reply
Then again, even official government sources will refer to a single dataset as plural, since that one set in made from multiple data points. They say things like "here are the data" and "the data indicate that". But that flows completely wrong. It's like saying "The beach are sandy" or "Traffic are getting congested". -
Jagar123 Yeah, this was expected. I hope Toms does their own benchmarks to prove this out as well.Reply -
FunSurfer What is the GPU here? because Tom's benchmark shows 204-205 fps for 9700x in Wukong with RTX 4090 @1080 high, this benchmark shows only 195 fps on low - should be much higher fps with 4090.Reply -
jeremyj_83 This isn't a surprise. In Techpowerups review of the 9700X they saw it using an average of 71W during their gaming benchmarks. The 7700X with its 105W TDP was also in the review and it used 70W. The higher TDP will only help in instances that are heavily threaded. Gaming is not an instance that is heavily threaded.Reply -
russell_john None of this is really surprising if you take a close look at what was changed/upgraded in Zen 5 over Zen 4. Pretty much everything enhanced is for productivity and/or efficiency in productivity and really nothing there for gaming other than a slight increase in clocks and IPC. The 9800X3D won't change that dynamic much. Sure you will get gains in gaming because of the extra cache but the difference between the 7800X3D and the 9800X3D with be about the same as the difference between the 7700X and the 9700XReply
Gamers should just skip this generation until the prices come down to what the 7000 series currently are at. -
TheHerald Are these results CPU bound though? If GPU is the bottleneck you ain't going to see any differences.Reply -
Ryrynz russell_john said:None of this is really surprising if you take a close look at what was changed/upgraded in Zen 5 over Zen 4. Pretty much everything enhanced is for productivity and/or efficiency in productivity and really nothing there for gaming other than a slight increase in clocks and IPC. The 9800X3D won't change that dynamic much. Sure you will get gains in gaming because of the extra cache but the difference between the 7800X3D and the 9800X3D with be about the same as the difference between the 7700X and the 9700X
Gamers should just skip this generation until the prices come down to what the 7000 series currently are at.
You writing off the 9800X3D given it's advertised improvements? I know it's an expensive chip but a lot of gamers only want the X3D. I'm sure a lot of people will be buying this, even upgrading from the 7800X3D -
Dntknwitall This does not make any sense. Any other CPU will get an increase in frames when overlooked. This is essentially an overclock so it should have some kind of increase in performance. For whatever reason these chips have changed the landscape and people are not able to benchmark them properly. There will be someone that will get it right and there will be a gain in performance at the higher wattage benchmarks. They should be getting a performance uplift not a hit on performance.Reply -
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Gaming doesn't use much power. The 7700X with a 105W TDP (142W PPT) was only drawing 70W during gaming. Not surprisingly the 9700X with a 65W TDP (88W PPT) was only drawing 71 during gaming. Basically gaming isn't able to use the higher TDP headroom because it doesn't stress enough cores. Applications that can run on more cores will show greater performance with the higher TDP.Dntknwitall said:This does not make any sense. Any other CPU will get an increase in frames when overlooked. This is essentially an overclock so it should have some kind of increase in performance. For whatever reason these chips have changed the landscape and people are not able to benchmark them properly. There will be someone that will get it right and there will be a gain in performance at the higher wattage benchmarks. They should be getting a performance uplift not a hit on performance.