TSMC founder says Tim Cook told him in 2011 that Intel did not know how to be a foundry

Morris Chang
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When Apple began to build its own processors for iPhones and iPads in 2009 – 2010, it initially used Samsung Foundry, but after custom silicon became a key advantage of iPhones over rivals in the early 2010s, the company began to explore other makers as Samsung was Apple's primary rival at the time. The company considered using Intel Custom Foundry (ICF) and Texas Instruments but quickly realized the ICF was not tailored for external customers at all, while TI did not have advanced process technologies. As a result, it chose TSMC as its exclusive supplier, according to Morris Chang, the founder of TSMC, who spoke to Acquired

"The [CEO] of Intel has approached Tim Cook and has asked Tim Cook to consider Intel, and at this time, Intel was the major supplier for Apple's Mac line," Chang reminisced. "I knew a lot of Intel's customer customers in Taiwan […] none of them liked Intel [as it] always acted like they were the the only guy [with] microprocessors. […] The Foundry business where TSMC […] does not compete with customers and even if Intel is trying to do business in good faith they do have the conflict [of interests." 

When Intel's CEO Paul Otellini approached Tim Cook in early 2011, offering to manufacture Apple's chips, Apple paused discussions with TSMC for two months to evaluate the proposal.

Morris Chang, concerned about this pause, traveled to Apple's headquarters to check on the situation. In a private meeting, Tim Cook reassured Chang that Apple would not choose Intel. 

"Intel just does not know how to be a foundry," Tim Cook reportedly told Chang. 

The implication was that Intel lacked the customer-centric mindset required for a foundry business. Unlike TSMC, which tailors its process technologies to meet customer needs, Intel was used to designing and producing its own chips and struggled to adapt to servicing external clients. By contrast, Apple valued TSMC's ability to listen and respond to specific demands, something Intel historically did not do. 

"When the customer asks a lot of things, we have learned to respond to every request," Chang said. "Some of them were crazy, some of them were irrational, [but] we respond to each request courteously. […] Intel has never done that, I knew a lot of customers of Intel's here in Taiwan and all [of them] wished that there were another supplier." 

However, it is notable that Intel has worked to defray those concerns with its now-revamped Intel Foundry, which also now offers support for industry-standard design tools, a notable area it lacked with its first Intel Custom Foundry foray in the past.

Indeed, the very first encounter with Apple disrupted TSMC's roadmap. TSMC planned to move from 28nm planar to 16nm FinFET, but Apple wanted a custom 20nm-class planar node instead. At the time, TSMC did not have enough R&D teams to develop two process technologies at once, so the company had to divert people working on CLN16FF to CLN20SOC to meet Apple's needs in 2014. 

Although Apple dual-sourced its A8 and A9 processors at 20nm and 16nm-class process technologies from Samsung and TSMC, Apple eventually committed to TSMC for all future processors. The Apple Silicon strategy cemented TSMC's position as the exclusive supplier, as the company's system-on-chips for different applications share quite a lot of IP.

The decision to meet Apple's demands was critical in TSMC surpassing Intel as the world's most advanced semiconductor manufacturer. Apple's business gave TSMC predictable high-volume orders, helping justify massive CapEx and R&D investments. As a result, TSMC has consistently outpaced Intel by introducing leading-edge nodes.

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Anton Shilov
Contributing Writer

Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.

  • Gururu
    Obviously Intel was too expensive, otherwise Apple would be manufacturing its phones in the U.S.
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  • rluker5
    In 2011 Apple was looking for older nodes Intel was unstoppable and TSMC was a distant second if not 3rd in process node leadership.

    14 years is a long time in the tech business and this conversation probably isn't relevant to the present anymore.
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  • ezst036
    LOL
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  • Loadedaxe
    ezst036 said:
    LOL
    IKR, some of these comments....smh.
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  • systemBuilder_49
    "When the customer asks a lot of things, we have learned to respond to every request," Chang said. "Some of them were crazy, some of them were irrational, we respond to each request courteously. Intel has never done that, I knew a lot of customers of Intel's here in Taiwan and all wished that there were another supplier."
    LOL !! I was at the largest TSMC plant 6w ago, and wondered what was happening inside that giant building! They were probably laughing at some customer questions before answering them as best they could, and with great courtesy !!
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  • rammed5559
    This blog content is great stuff but there are certain things I like (example writing but just continue writing) to not do as it's really make me feel like content was written just to write about anything
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  • EzzyB
    TSMC says competition is bad.

    OK.
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  • jkflipflop98
    Too bad for him. TSMC isn't going to exist in 10 years.
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  • phead128
    Intel is filled with incompetent middle-managers who contribute zero value, and greedy executives who care about stock prices above innovation at the leading edge.
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  • newtechldtech
    rluker5 said:
    In 2011 Apple was looking for older nodes Intel was unstoppable and TSMC was a distant second if not 3rd in process node leadership.

    14 years is a long time in the tech business and this conversation probably isn't relevant to the present anymore.

    nope. this is TODAY ... He is talking about ALL customers ! even TODAY

    I knew a lot of customers of Intel's here in Taiwan and all wished that there were another supplier."
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