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Retired Marine and former Corporate leader. I tell stories of my corporate life to help others better understand the true culture of large corporations.

On an earlier post, I stated that the enlisted veterans I worked with hit a ceiling that is set pretty low in corporate America. I attributed that ceiling to their drive to get things done, and not putting up with stupid. I was asked to expand why, so here goes. In the Marine Corps, there is a saying that we spend 90% of our time with the bottom 10% of Marines, i.e. we have to deal with their problems. In the military, the power in this dynamic rests with the leadership. In corporate America, the power dynamic rests with the bottom 10%. These events really happened. Particular circumstances are changed. When I was a company commander at NSA, I received a call from an Air Force lieutenant about one of my Marines. When I went to her office, she told me Private Jones was not only the worst Marine she ever met, but was also the worst human being she ever met. Once I spoke to a few others, to my chagrin, she was correct. We removed him from her office and my Company First Sergeant sent him to Base command where an enterprising Navy Senior Master Chief ensured this particular Marine was picking up trash at Ft. Meade, Maryland during the hot muggy summer months. When he returned to us, he was somewhat improved. In corporate land, Vet former Sergeant Jenny had the top metrics in the business line. She was holding people accountable and HR was complaining about all the paper work she was causing. One individual we were about to fire instigated an investigation complaining of an ism or a phobia against him by Sergeant Jenny. Everything stopped until the investigation was completed and approved all the way up through the lawyers in the c-suite. Meanwhile, this individual instigated a new investigation against Sergeant Jenny every few weeks as well as a few other people. And then other people Jenny held accountable instigated investigations against Jenny with isms and phobias. Jenny was never found guilty of anything and none of those people were ever fired. Sergeant Jenny never got promoted, despite having the top metrics in the business line, because she was viewed as lacking soft skills, and displayed poor communication skills. I watched this happen too many times to count. To veterans, holding people accountable in corporate land is the ticket to staying exactly where you started. #veteranshelpingveterans #veterans #leadershipdevelopment #leadership #marines

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Douglas Lutz

Site Services & Operations Coordinator Senior at Capital Group | American Funds

7mo

I won the lottery when I was offered a position in my current (post-retirement) company. That said, the first interview established I had the hard skills to do the job. The next 7 or 8 interviews were to see if I would be a good fit in their culture. There were a lot of: what would you do if scenarios, including how I might deal with others not doing the right thing. The ghost of Gunny Highway was still a misconception or assumption by many. Thankfully a senior business leader whose father was a Marine made the call to hire me. 16 years on now, I am still grateful for a successful second career.

Kristopher Plant (PMP)

SIGINT/EW Subject Matter Expert

8mo

In my 4th role since retiring I have come to recognize holding people accountable seems to be too much work for most of middle management. Those that do get burdened with everyone else’s problem employees until they themselves burn out or get moved out for holding to the documented standards.

Daniel Stinson

Professional Speaker/Entrepreneur/Man of War

7mo

Sad truth in this... "To veterans, holding people accountable in corporate land is the ticket to staying exactly where you started." Accountability, Integrity.. somewhat lacking in the Corporate world at times. How do we, as veterans, tip that on its head? How do we, as veterans push that back into Corporate America ? HR complaints on various ridiculous and groundless reasons are like 'pray and spray' fire

Adam Tack

Production and Sales Manager at Wolf Precision Custom Rifles, Home of the Accurizing Chamber Extension.

7mo

Veterans are generally comfortable with confrontation. Civilians may be comfortable with it, but are not accustomed to seeing it acted out in the workplace. So when a veteran holds someone accountable it becomes a spectacle and opens the correction up to criticism. To Paul Minihan’s point about profit, a military correction doesn’t necessarily mean losing your job, but a civilian correction could very well mean just that. Something vets need to consider.

Paul Minihan

1. Licensed Boat/Yacht Broker 2. Job Recruiter and Staffing Services. 3. Aerospace Sales Consultant Active TS/SCI clearance

7mo

The corporate world is very simple. Just make money. Profit, EBITDA, whatever measure your company values. Everything else is just a distraction

Well put David many HR tails are wagging the dog these days

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Kevin Shanley

Program Engineering Manager

7mo

Amen Dave. Tracks 100% with my experience. Not making waves is more important, not only in corporate America, but unfortunately even more so in the government civilian sector, than competent leadership.

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