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Director at Wilde Spooner Raleigh Chartered Building Surveyors | SAVA assessor

Have You Heard of Dragon Ties in Historic Buildings? When we think about historic buildings, we often admire their charm and beauty, but behind the scenes, there’s some incredible engineering that keeps them standing. One fascinating feature found in older timber-framed buildings is the dragon tie. So, what is a dragon tie? It’s a diagonal timber beam used in the corners of buildings, particularly in medieval and Tudor timber-framed houses. Its purpose is to support the structure where walls meet at right angles, helping to distribute the roof load and strengthen the frame. Think of it as an early (and elegant) form of reinforcement! Dragon ties allowed builders to achieve larger overhangs – those striking jettied upper floors that give historic buildings their iconic look. As we work to preserve these structures today, it’s a reminder of how traditional building techniques still inspire modern solutions. Does anyone know why they are referred to a dragon ties? There are a few theories…….. #HistoricBuildings #Architecture #TraditionalCraftsmanship #TimberFrame #BuildingConservation #Engineering

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Richard Le Neve Foster

Director at Wilde Spooner Raleigh Chartered Building Surveyors | SAVA assessor

1mo

Or due to the old English term ‘dragan / dragen’ meaning ‘to carry / to bear’…….

Ummer Daraz MIStructE

Chartered Structural Engineer | Owner - Empace Civil & Structural Engineers | IStructE - Vice Chair of the Small Practitioners Panel & Member of Education Committee | University of Bradford - Industrial Advisory Board

1mo

There is a modern version of this which involves using ply, a little less elegant but does the job. I think there's a standard detail somewhere with the NHBC. I've used it a few times. It's a very useful (and relatively unknown) detail for a structural engineer. Primarily used to reign in the dragons kick, from a very long hip rafter that is 😉

ROBERTO DE LAS HERAS SEBASTIÁN

GERENTE- DIRECTOR TECNICO en MADEPLAGAS

1mo

En España, ese elemento se llama cuadral y a la pieza perpendicular que coge el cuadral y la esquina de unión de los durmientes, se llama aguilon.

Ben Kirk MSc IHBC

Managing Director at MANORWOOD CONSTRUCTION LIMITED

1mo

Called dragon ties as it derives from diagon referring to the diagonal nature of the tie. Sadly nothing to do with fire breathing dragons!!

Adrian Taylor

Owner, Cadence Architectural Design Certified Passive House Consultant

1mo

In use in modern timber framed buildings in NZ, though nothing quite as elegant as that.

Martin Stiles

Chartered Surveyor and Business Owner.

1mo

Yes and the 3D detail shows the diagonal member between the wall plates nicely. A means of stiffening and keeping together a corner that otherwise might be pulled apart by tension developing due to loading conditions. I’ve read that the term started from ‘dragging’ apart, but who knows!

Roddy Woolgar

𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙜𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝘿𝙞𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙤𝙧 (𝙀𝙪𝙧𝙤𝙥𝙚) 𝙖𝙩 𝙒𝙚𝙨𝙩 + 𝙑𝙞𝙩𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙞 | 𝙇𝙚𝙖𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙒𝙖𝙮 𝙏𝙤 𝙀𝙣𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙘𝙚𝙙 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙥𝙡𝙖𝙘𝙚 𝙍𝙊𝙄 | 𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙢𝙚𝙧𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙡 𝙍𝙚𝙖𝙡 𝙀𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙚

1mo

I thought they started life as "dragging ties / beams" and it's morphed from there. All parts pull against each other to give the increased stability.

We still look for a dragon tie or corner brace in cut roofs today. If the ceiling is to be vaulted or hybrid then the tie is usually placed at the purlin abutment to a hip rather than at plate.

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Aiden Mulryan

Joiner technician at Timberwise (UK) Ltd, City and guilds nvq level 3, SSSTS, gold cscs card.

1mo

The dragon ties I’ve replaced in the past the hip is quite substantial and is connected by a diminished tenon and the tie is half lapoed through with a dove tail, and a dowel or massive nail👍, I’ve heard some areas of the country refer to it as a saddle. Also great for traditional internal gutter systems👍🍺😎.

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Martin Lewis FCIAT

Technical Director at Chaplin Farrant Limited

1mo

Not sure of the origins of the term, but seen them in various barn conversions where they've always been referred to as Dragon ties

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