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I don't know if your blind or just wanna pick a fight. All I said was, orms selling phones at a very high cost vs what it costs to make is just business as usual.
But my question was simple. If a company thst makes something that costs them $400 to make? How much do YOU feel they need to sell it for in order to pay for ehats inside, buy the materials and pay someone or buy the machine to make.
A businessman. I don't charge absorbent prices for the service I offer. But when I have to buy material I charge 3 times my cost. Why? Because 1st I need to replace the money I spent to buy it. 2nd I need to be able to buy it again and 3rd I need to be able to make something off of it too.
But I'm not selling something in the millions. However the more I would need to sell, the more it costs me and thus the more I need to make.
What I said doesn't excuse any Corp for being greedy. I simply stated a fact that you said selling someone at 2 or 3 times what it costs to make is always a bad thing and it isn't.
And most oems especially Chinese ones, only sell a phone slightly above their cost. But their stuff is cheap. Most of it is gonna remain in China. They don't need to pay fees to send it to 200 plus other countries and sell it on someone else's store shelves.
When it comes to midrange devices, because those devices will sell in higher volume, it also means they will cost more to make. In fact the overhead to make so many is more expensive then making flagship.
I can guarantee, that cost for Samsung as an example to manufacture and distribute the A series phone is far mire then what it costs them to do thre Galaxy S now.
Much of the reason you are paying more now is 1 some parts do cost more. Carriers don't subsidize any of the cost and they allow you to put it on a bill and lay over time interest-free. All of that comes at a cost.
The reason you were wrong, is because with the only accepting being Apple, all Android oems including Samsung, actually make a much lower profit margi. This has been proven for years where numbers have already been ran that shows Apple makes a considerable margin above what it costs them to make a phone.
A phone that may cost them $250-400 to make and they sell for $500-800 sounds like a pretty fair margin because kne they pay the bills, the oem will be left with maybe $100. That doesnt sound very greedy. But when an oem like Apple has an ASP, that is consistently above 50% of theor cost, that surely is greedy and they give nothing for it.
Did I single anyone out? Why so defensive about these greedy corporations clearly caring more about revenue than innovation? There's a reason antitrust is illegal, which is why these companies are getting dragged through courts all over the world now. Stop defending things that only serves to move your wealth onto their bank accounts.
What am I defending. I stated facts. They aren't meant for defense. If you want to use as such, then that's your problem.
Corps are in business to make money. The price obviously isn't a problem, because people keep buying.
People have shown Samsung the Galaxy S is too expensive. That why it went from thr S4 having 70M sells and the S23U having probably less than 20M.
Apple fans don't have a choice. It is pointless at this point to complain about price. You don't have to pay it. Their are phones in every price range under Android.
The top of the line is gonna be priced high, do to less expected sales.if a company is going to spend the extra money to make the phone fancier, its gonna cost you. That like anything else in the premium segment of any product.
Greedy or not, they all are going to make more money than you. They know how much it costs to be in the business they are in.
Someone will pay the price. If everyone stop buying the expensive stuff then tbey simply won't make them. But as long as people keep buying ir, the price isn't too high and they aren't being greedy.
Thwir job is to sell a product at the price they feel will still land the amount of expected sales.
All corps are greedy. But some of th3m actually try to five you bang for your buck.
Do you think iys cheap to make a 200MP camera? Apple doesn't have one yet their phone costs even more.
I don't want to pay, that's why I still have my N20U.
Qhen Covid hit, prices went up on everything scare or not. Now even though things have normalized, since people still paid the price anyways, no one has lowered their prices and much is still going up.
If we just didn't buy the stuff, it would solve the problem of greed. Since that isn't going to happen, its not since even talking about it.
This is how capitalism works. You can sell a product foe as high as you think someone will pay for it. The gov puts no caps on anything.
Just like many other things, smartphones are getting more and more expensive. Flagship models sell in the $1000 range, and foldables can easily reach $2000. Even mid-range devices tend to get pricier, which makes buying a smartphone more difficult for many.
With the rising price, smartphones also seem to get more capabilities. More powerful hardware, coupled with improved software, turn even affordable smartphones into capable productivity machines. Because of this, owning a smartphone is not so much of a choice but a vital necessity.
This dynamic makes me wonder what is the fair price of a smartphone. Looking at some of the high-end models, I can’t help but think they are overpriced. After all, most people use their phones for things like social media, messaging, emails, banking and consuming different types of content. None of these activities require a $1000 device, making the premium smartphones an excessive purchase for most people.
However, the same $1000 device holds a different value. You can use the most expensive Galaxies and iPhones for a striking variety of actual, cash-earning work. You could shoot and edit professional photos, start a YouTube channel, record a podcast, research and write texts, and do much more.
You can use the device to learn how to use it in ways that could help you earn hard cash. I already know people who use their flagship smartphones to take photos for their online stores and videos for the YouTube channels of their businesses. For these people, using the $1000 phones they already own feels like a bargain compared to buying a $3,000 professional camera.
Because of this, I think the price of smartphones is not the problem. The problem is the mindset of many users. They feel like they need a $1000 smartphone, but in reality, all their needs can be covered by much cheaper devices. Of course, the latest Galaxy or iPhone feels nicer than almost any budget smartphone, but if you can’t extract the value of an expensive tool, that’s not a problem with the tool.
I'm up to nothing. I dont disagree with you. Yes the stuff is expensive. But its not too expensive. After all, all of them sell in the 10's of millions.
I choose to look at it as premium devices bow cost a piece i dont want to pay. I have never paid full price for a phone even after carriers stop subsizing them.
I take advantage of trade-in deals where I end up paying 1/2 or less. Samsung gave $800 for my 2 year old Note 9. Me and the qife both had one, so we both have the N20U. For a $1300 phone, the tradein deal was a no-brainer. With the lerks i have on my account already, i paid $400 each. That was for 2 brand new flagship devices on preorder, and i got the freebies from Samsung, too.
Even the iPhone Pro is feee if you will sign your life away on a plane that for 1 phone will be about $150 per month after taxes and fees.
If you need to pay cash for a phone, then yes, they are qay too expensive. But when you can make a payment of just maybe $60 added to your bill or you lay for it with a credit card, then the price becomes more affordable.
No product is ever going to stay the same price.
However, i dont see them getting out of this price range for maybe another 5 years.
This is a comparison of the A14 to the S24 ultra with only very Minor differences like camera and water proofing etc. The A14 comes in a 5g model and even if you buy the non 5G it still comes with a 126gb storage with ability to add another 128gbsd as internal storage, 6Gb ram, and to boot it only will cost 300$ in store. Oh and it just got the android 14 os update with UI 6. So yeah your argument is flawed even within a flagships own model ranks.
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I don't know if your blind or just wanna pick a fight. All I said was, orms selling phones at a very high cost vs what it costs to make is just business as usual.
But my question was simple. If a company thst makes something that costs them $400 to make? How much do YOU feel they need to sell it for in order to pay for ehats inside, buy the materials and pay someone or buy the machine to make.
A businessman. I don't charge absorbent prices for the service I offer. But when I have to buy material I charge 3 times my cost. Why? Because 1st I need to replace the money I spent to buy it. 2nd I need to be able to buy it again and 3rd I need to be able to make something off of it too.
But I'm not selling something in the millions. However the more I would need to sell, the more it costs me and thus the more I need to make.
What I said doesn't excuse any Corp for being greedy. I simply stated a fact that you said selling someone at 2 or 3 times what it costs to make is always a bad thing and it isn't.
And most oems especially Chinese ones, only sell a phone slightly above their cost. But their stuff is cheap. Most of it is gonna remain in China. They don't need to pay fees to send it to 200 plus other countries and sell it on someone else's store shelves.
When it comes to midrange devices, because those devices will sell in higher volume, it also means they will cost more to make. In fact the overhead to make so many is more expensive then making flagship.
I can guarantee, that cost for Samsung as an example to manufacture and distribute the A series phone is far mire then what it costs them to do thre Galaxy S now.
Much of the reason you are paying more now is 1 some parts do cost more. Carriers don't subsidize any of the cost and they allow you to put it on a bill and lay over time interest-free. All of that comes at a cost.
The reason you were wrong, is because with the only accepting being Apple, all Android oems including Samsung, actually make a much lower profit margi. This has been proven for years where numbers have already been ran that shows Apple makes a considerable margin above what it costs them to make a phone.
A phone that may cost them $250-400 to make and they sell for $500-800 sounds like a pretty fair margin because kne they pay the bills, the oem will be left with maybe $100. That doesnt sound very greedy. But when an oem like Apple has an ASP, that is consistently above 50% of theor cost, that surely is greedy and they give nothing for it.
Did I single anyone out? Why so defensive about these greedy corporations clearly caring more about revenue than innovation? There's a reason antitrust is illegal, which is why these companies are getting dragged through courts all over the world now. Stop defending things that only serves to move your wealth onto their bank accounts.
What am I defending. I stated facts. They aren't meant for defense. If you want to use as such, then that's your problem.
Corps are in business to make money. The price obviously isn't a problem, because people keep buying.
People have shown Samsung the Galaxy S is too expensive. That why it went from thr S4 having 70M sells and the S23U having probably less than 20M.
Apple fans don't have a choice. It is pointless at this point to complain about price. You don't have to pay it. Their are phones in every price range under Android.
The top of the line is gonna be priced high, do to less expected sales.if a company is going to spend the extra money to make the phone fancier, its gonna cost you. That like anything else in the premium segment of any product.
Greedy or not, they all are going to make more money than you. They know how much it costs to be in the business they are in.
Someone will pay the price. If everyone stop buying the expensive stuff then tbey simply won't make them. But as long as people keep buying ir, the price isn't too high and they aren't being greedy.
Thwir job is to sell a product at the price they feel will still land the amount of expected sales.
All corps are greedy. But some of th3m actually try to five you bang for your buck.
Do you think iys cheap to make a 200MP camera? Apple doesn't have one yet their phone costs even more.
I don't want to pay, that's why I still have my N20U.
Qhen Covid hit, prices went up on everything scare or not. Now even though things have normalized, since people still paid the price anyways, no one has lowered their prices and much is still going up.
If we just didn't buy the stuff, it would solve the problem of greed. Since that isn't going to happen, its not since even talking about it.
This is how capitalism works. You can sell a product foe as high as you think someone will pay for it. The gov puts no caps on anything.
Just like many other things, smartphones are getting more and more expensive. Flagship models sell in the $1000 range, and foldables can easily reach $2000. Even mid-range devices tend to get pricier, which makes buying a smartphone more difficult for many.
With the rising price, smartphones also seem to get more capabilities. More powerful hardware, coupled with improved software, turn even affordable smartphones into capable productivity machines. Because of this, owning a smartphone is not so much of a choice but a vital necessity.
This dynamic makes me wonder what is the fair price of a smartphone. Looking at some of the high-end models, I can’t help but think they are overpriced. After all, most people use their phones for things like social media, messaging, emails, banking and consuming different types of content. None of these activities require a $1000 device, making the premium smartphones an excessive purchase for most people.
However, the same $1000 device holds a different value. You can use the most expensive Galaxies and iPhones for a striking variety of actual, cash-earning work. You could shoot and edit professional photos, start a YouTube channel, record a podcast, research and write texts, and do much more.
You can use the device to learn how to use it in ways that could help you earn hard cash. I already know people who use their flagship smartphones to take photos for their online stores and videos for the YouTube channels of their businesses. For these people, using the $1000 phones they already own feels like a bargain compared to buying a $3,000 professional camera.
Because of this, I think the price of smartphones is not the problem. The problem is the mindset of many users. They feel like they need a $1000 smartphone, but in reality, all their needs can be covered by much cheaper devices. Of course, the latest Galaxy or iPhone feels nicer than almost any budget smartphone, but if you can’t extract the value of an expensive tool, that’s not a problem with the tool.
Take a flippin' chill pill! You're rambling and clearly not responding to anything!
I was stating facts. I don't know what you're up to.
I'm up to nothing. I dont disagree with you. Yes the stuff is expensive. But its not too expensive. After all, all of them sell in the 10's of millions.
I choose to look at it as premium devices bow cost a piece i dont want to pay. I have never paid full price for a phone even after carriers stop subsizing them.
I take advantage of trade-in deals where I end up paying 1/2 or less. Samsung gave $800 for my 2 year old Note 9. Me and the qife both had one, so we both have the N20U. For a $1300 phone, the tradein deal was a no-brainer. With the lerks i have on my account already, i paid $400 each. That was for 2 brand new flagship devices on preorder, and i got the freebies from Samsung, too.
Even the iPhone Pro is feee if you will sign your life away on a plane that for 1 phone will be about $150 per month after taxes and fees.
If you need to pay cash for a phone, then yes, they are qay too expensive. But when you can make a payment of just maybe $60 added to your bill or you lay for it with a credit card, then the price becomes more affordable.
No product is ever going to stay the same price.
However, i dont see them getting out of this price range for maybe another 5 years.
gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12151&idPhone2=12771
This is a comparison of the A14 to the S24 ultra with only very Minor differences like camera and water proofing etc. The A14 comes in a 5g model and even if you buy the non 5G it still comes with a 126gb storage with ability to add another 128gbsd as internal storage, 6Gb ram, and to boot it only will cost 300$ in store. Oh and it just got the android 14 os update with UI 6. So yeah your argument is flawed even within a flagships own model ranks.